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Adrian Snell
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To the Club, please read.

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Covid has affected every aspect of our life and our club is no exception. We have some great activities happening, Saturday Club Rides are very well attended as are Monday Beginners Chain Gang, Wednesday Tempo, Medium and Fast Chain Gangs, a good number of TT’s plus some great Audax planned.

With the recent announcement about the size of a social groups reduced to 6 indoor and outdoor plus the threat of a fine for failure to comply from Monday 14th September organising group activities is no easy task.

A lot of our members are riding in separate small groups or solo riding, everyone rightly has their own sensitivity to the risks. So what do we do...

We want the Tyneside Vagabonds to be inclusive, relevant and part of your cycling lives. That means we need to adapt, so you feel part of a club if not in the guise it once once...
We propose the club help facilitate individual groups and for all members to be able to use the forum and FB page to organise their mid week or Sunday rides and post ride photos and stories. I am aware everyone is currently using their own way to organise and that’s fine if you decide to continue this is not about trying to control people, I guess I’m trying to keep a sense of belonging to a club. This way it gives people that haven’t had the opportunity to ride a Tuesday or Thursday TOG’s or a Sunday Club Ride or any other day the ability to find a ride... or offer one.

You don’t need to change anything about your ride, if you have space in your group or heading out solo and don’t mind some company or have a group that don’t mind splitting with multiple leaders at a set pace post it on Facebook or the Forum which ever works for you. Advertise a true average pace, distance and coffee stop if there is one. What we ask is you be realistic about your current fitness and don’t join a 17+ if you can’t sustain it for 50 miles and visa versa don’t disrupt a steadier ride by half wheeling or riding off the front. Then use your usual messenger/ WhatsApp etc to hammer out finer detail, include anyone that’s shown interest from your public post, this stops the whole club receiving junk notifications.

Remember if more than 6 you need to meet separately.

I would suggest from Monday Sam’s is not be the best place. The farm is a large enough space (with coffee and toilet) or the large car parks in Ponteland, it is up to the ride leader to arrange the meeting place. We are not calling any rides except Saturday a Club Ride as it’s not the club organising it, just allowing friends find rides and we are not dictating any aspect.

Saturday Club Rides

I have spoken to various people all with very valid points, I have decided to try Plan A - which is the harder one to pull off. Plan B is the one I feel we may end up doing but we will see.

Use the poll and forum as usual (if you vote please ride, things do come up, if you need to pull out let me know at a reasonable time on Friday then I can ensure the groups are sorted that evening, we can not arrange on the day as we will be separate. There are always going to be the unexpected) this also helps with track and trace. If you vote and fail to turn up more than once without cancelling in good time you will be benched for a few weeks. (Case by case)
We will meet at the farm in the allotted groups - if you were to stand with your back to the service hatch...

13mph to the right on the concrete

15mph seating area straight ahead on the grass

17mph seating area to the left on the grass.

You meet the group you are riding with only.

I must have ride leaders by Friday afternoon, if you are out and willing to lead let me know, I’d rather have too many. This is critical to keep Saturday going.

There will be no organised cafe or route that is up to the leader, though the ride pace must be as advertised, if the group want to stop, you decide where and ensure all social distancing and group size is adhered to. I recommend you bring food to sustain a ride without a cafe stop.

We will try it this Saturday and make any changes for the following week. Plus take British Cycling guidance.

I said when we started the Saturday rides, we don’t want to take the fun out of riding our bikes, there would be no point and that still stands, it’s been an amazing turn out every Saturday. These are challenging times for everyone, I believe if we all want to make this work it will in some form, after all we just want to ride our bikes!

Chain Gangs

Monday Beginners Chain Gang - we need to have names in good time to then split as for Wednesday. Becci or I will post the groups as Ken does currently.

Wednesday

I think this is easier, Ken already has the groups sorted before Wednesday, we all just need to meet and stay in that group away from each other.

I hope all the above makes sense, if not send me a message.

Finally I’d like to thank you all, everyone has contributed to the success so far, and remember there is currently a big bike race travelling through France and one in Italy, I’m sure we can manage 30, 40 or 50 miles in Northumberland! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Adrian.

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Keith Aungiers
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A well constructed and considered post, Adrian.

You seem to have covered the main points as we move into the 'Rule of six' regime. I wonder, though, if you have made an oversight in not mentioning the TOGs rides that Roger has put together recently.

Roger’s approach to these rides - advertising them in advance on the forum, limiting to 6 the number of participants, and requiring pre-booking - seems fully inclusive and exactly right for the times. If more than 6 riders are interested then a second group leaving from a nearby but different place and going via a different route to a different destination could be formed in the same way by the rider unlucky not to make the first group.

If this was an oversight perhaps your original post could be edited to include the TOGs. Hoping that this is helpful.

Keith
Regards

Keith

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Keith Aungiers
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Re: To the Club, please read. - Overtaken by new restrictions

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This may be overtaken by events, unfortunately, with additional restrictions over and above the 'rule of six' expected to be in force across the North East from late tonight Thursday 17 September.

Update:

Details of the new restrictions have been released. See below for an excerpt of salient points and link to the source document. So far as group activities (such as club rides) go my interpretation is that these are not in the category of outright "ban" but they may fall into the "advised to adhere" category, especially with reference to public venues. It seems to be a matter of personal choice as to whether or not to heed the advice, suggesting that those who wish to keep riding in groups can do so. No doubt British Cycling and/or Cycling UK will have a better informed and more definitive view.

Personally, I am continuing to adopt a cautious approach as to the number of people I am mixing with, who they are and under what circumstances. Having recently made a minor return to group riding, I am minded to put this on hold and revert to solo rides unless and until the growth in infections is brought under control. I wish all the best to those who continue group riding whether as part of the club or separately.

Following is from Department of Health and Social Care press release, "Stronger measures introduced in parts of the North East to tackle rising infection rates", 17 September 2020

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/stro ... tion-rates

"From Friday 18 September, regulations will ban the following:

residents must not socialise with other people outside of their own households or support bubble in private homes and gardens
hospitality for food and drink will be restricted to table service only
late night restriction of operating hours will be introduced, with leisure and entertainment venues required to close between 10pm to 5am

Residents are also advised to adhere to the following guidance to further reduce rates of infection:

not to socialise with other people outside of their own households in all public venues.
only to use public transport for essential purposes, such as travelling to school or work
take holidays only within your own household or support bubble
avoid attending amateur and semi-professional sporting events as spectators"
Last edited by Keith Aungiers on Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:07 am, edited 1 time in total.

Adrian Snell
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Not yet Keith, just more effort to ensure we are compliant.

Hugh Harrison
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Since returning from a severe Spanish lockdown in May to the relative freedom and normality of cycling in our
marvellous Northumbrian countryside, I have enjoyed many uplifting and pleasant days with my compatriot Vagabonds. Events and rides admirably organised and implemented by ,in particular by Adrian, Nick, Roger, Keith and Andy. However the latest regulations, brought in at Midnight make group riding increasingly difficult if indeed unlawful. We all can ,of course, introduce cogent arguments to support the continuance of group riding, but we are and always have been, a responsible club and a respected club. My personal opinion is that we have a moral as well as a legal responsibility to uphold the latest regulations to help reduce the spread of Covid 19.
Sadly it may mean several weeks of solo riding, but that is the consequence of many many people in the wider community flouting the simple rules of hands, face, space. We must protect the NHS and we must keep the children in school.
I look forward to riding with the Togs and the Saturday morning squads in the (hopefully) near future.

Richard Knight
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Evening and re the post on what we can and cannot do as a club. First off the BBC has been misreporting the information that is in the Newcastle City Council website. The lockdown LAWs are, in brief, no hospitality between 22:00 and 05:00, table service and nobody to visit another household in their property or garden. That is it, nothing here makes it unlawful to ride a bike in a group. In fact the advisory section goes on to say that organised sports can continue. I understand everyone has their own perception of risk but to be 100% clear club rides are not illegal. There is an advisory on not meeting other households in public venues but Northumberland is not a venue and the sports advisory permits riding. Cafe stops are not advised but they are not unlawful. I recognise that this is a difficult time for all and hope we, as a committee, can provide some guidance in the near future but for now riding in an organised group breaches no element of the lockdown law or advisory’s.

Adrian Snell
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Thanks Richard, you have constructed the reply a lot nicer than I was just about to post!

It is a huge effort to keep these things going and incorrect or edited statements to fit an argument are just infuriating.

So disappointed.... it’s now 9.50 on a Friday evening and I still need to post details of tomorrow’s rides to ensure we are RESPONSIBLE

No words!

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I am not certain exactly who or what is being referred to in Adrian's post but just in case I am once again being blamed for something I haven't done I'll give a quick restatement of what I said in my original post.

To be clear, my longer post is not reliant on newspaper, BBC or other secondary sources. It quotes directly from an official Government statement on the local restrictions and provides a link to that document. The text has been reproduced faithfully and not edited in any way. It is not for me to make a case for or against continuing group rides and I have made no attempt to do so. I have explained my personal, cautious position but that has no relevance to what others may think or do.

The full official Government guidance was published on 18 September and updated 2 days later. It can be found here:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/north-east- ... strictions

If current advice is that group rides are still possible without breaching guidelines then that is good to hear and shows that the club is upholding the standards referred to by Hugh. Updated guidance specific to cycling, including what the exemption for organised sports means in practice, is available on both the Cycling UK and British Cycling websites.

Adrian Snell
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Hi Keith

Not directed to you... I know we have clashed In the past but not on this occasion.

Unfortunately the reporting in the media lead to a miss understanding which we have now sorted. An official line from the committee is forthcoming.

All the best
Adrian

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